Interesting discussion between Elon and Vlad (RobinHood CEO)
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In case of the tax, very simple solution just don't mine the supposed upgraded chain, and let it be 2 chains, one supports the tax the other doesn't, very simple, centralization my ass, at least you can choose if you want tax or not.
Guess what, I think people will go for the tax so that they can pay development, in the case of Bitcoin, they didn't tax the mining Bitcoin just gave up on trying to be a currency and instead decided to be MoneyGram Lightning Network which is not a currency just a money sending service.
Lightning Network means two onchain transaction fees plus routing fees on top, you can't be a currency with three fees, the best you can hope to be is Western Union. Not to mention you are not private whatsoever.
Bitcoin Cash will charge you a tax, Bitcoin sold out to governments and corporations and gave P2P, that's a hell of price to pay for development, I rather pay 8% than give up peer to peer currency.
By to way I have been using Western Union Lightning Network because to not pay the opening and closing of channels I have been forced to use wallets like Phoenix and wallet of satoshi.
And many other will continue to use lightning this way just to not pay onchain fees and many are starting to think using wallets like that is actually using Bitcoin which is not it is just another PayPal account.
At Phoenix Wallet, you have to pay a fee because it's a non-custodial wallet. And what you can do is:
- Abandon Bitcoin
- Promote Lightning to keep onchain fees as low as possible
- Recommended for fee reduction solutions on the first layer like SegWit, Schnorr, Taproot.
BCH will not allow itself to split, because it would be dead.
I don't care what happens to Bitcoin Cash, for all I care all Bitcoin direct forks should die, just like Bitcoin will. The moment Bitcoin dies, I don't want a fork to say we are the new Bitcoin, I want anyone that holds Bitcoin or any fork to lose their money for forgetting what was supposed a peer to peer currency.
All fiat will start experiencing hyperinflation, and when people try to use Bitcoin to scape hyperinflation than they will realize Bitcoin is not a currency and the price will dump. People will not go to Bitcoin just to hold it at some point they will want to use it, but in a hyperinflation world usage will be so big that tx fees will go so high that people will dump it.
And lightning network will mean double the fees, not to mention custodian wallets may 3ven get a letter saying please give us this and that user funds because we are the government, and since the only way to pay less tx fees is to use custodian wallets, pretty soon people will realize they are using PayPal Lightning Network account when their custodian wallet overlords tell them that the government has ask for their funds and as such they can go and suck a dick for not owning their own keys.
Bitcoin not being a peer to peer currency will only come to light once people try to use it as such, and it will be when people will want to use it the most as a p2p CURRENCY but it will be when they realize they got fuck.
Hyperinflation in fiat currency will show the importance of peer to peer currency with low fees, but if you haven't cash out into something else by that time, you won't even have the possibility to dump because the network will be stuck with higher and higher tx cost.
You don't need to be that smart to realize high transaction fees will be the end of Bitcoin in a hyperinflation world.
Bitcoin is no ordinary cryptocurrency - thousands of developers, millions of users and a very large adoption (for a crypto) make it the largest project in the world.
they are taxing each new block with an 8% tax rate.
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Ask yourself - how can this be the consensus. Well, it isn't.
Yeah, I mean it doesn't sound good but... is it really that bad, like 8% on every transaction + mining fees? Pay ~$1 to send $10? That's hilariously much.
Looks like the tax idea never died then! Thought commissar Ver had abandoned this.
Had it the first week of lockdown (mid-march), 4 days and over, so a mild dose, Gave it to a vulnerable partner and she was out of action for 4 weeks. I did feel guilty for that even though it couldn't be helped. Seems like we have forgotten the scenes of the horrible deaths we saw so much of at the start. I still want to do the best i can for those more vulnerable in my life. It's about reassuring others, particularly those who we care about. I always operate this way and have been more than a little amused by the debate surrounding Covid. Scientism and phillosopy, don't help you breathe or kill pain. These positions people take are theoretical. Wait till you can't help a person you care about and have to watch them suffer, you can then enjoy that wonderful feeling of humility washing over you. I wouldn't take the risk element out of our existence though, younger people should take risks but am old enough to know that experience teaches humility very well
In April I was sick entire month with a mild cold, heavy coughing and night fever. Lost my voice completely. Went into quaraintaine to protect family. My doctor was sure it was due to the Corona virus. When I got better again I got a test to see if I had any antibodies in my blood but there were none, so conclusion was I had had the normal flu. But never had such a thing for so long before, so it is still a bit strange I had all the symptoms right at the peak of the pandemic, but I did not have it. On the other hand, reading about stories of people that had a mild case of Corona and lost all their energy even when they were better. That is not my case luckily.
I'm glad to hear you're better, but a little annoying that you're still at risk of the new virus I imagine.
I consider myself a you low risk person and most of my friends are the same and I live in an academic bubble so I would also claim we're educated and understand the/believe in science. BUT we don't really care about ourselves: 1 in a 100 chance is a risk I take before living in prison for 5 months... Our measurements are for people who don't have a choice like we do! We all have grandparents and I hope where they live kids follow government orders the same I do!
I've been hit recently as well. They go thru each LN service and try to automate what they can.
My idiot stole 1000 sats at a time for hours.
Update:
Good news. I was able to re-create the vulnerability in testing, and I was able to implement the fix in testing.
I will be implementing multiple safety fixes but will unfortunately have to leave transactions offline for a bit longer until it is complete.
Anti-fragility!
Seems like withdraw option still not working fine, I tried a withdraw of 499 sats and it didn't deliver, I wonder how long will it take for the issues to be resolved?
I've fixed most of the issues on the test version. I am also updating all financial aspects to improve safety. It's going to take a couple more days I think until it is updated and tested to go back online.
Very inspiring discussion!
PS You should buy new mic :D
My knowledge is unfortunately low in this area. What happens if you close the channel - you can log in with Lightning? Will Lightning be just a form of authorization to the accounts we have today?
I disagree :)